Banned from Borders

Has anyone been Banded from Borders and what was the reason given? Is vince banned from the stores. What our they scared of. the tuth.

I'm sorry, but your posts are often paranoid and incoherent. Who is Vince? Do you mean Vin Altruda?

Banning an ex-employee from a store is no easy feat. I'm guessing yours had to do with harassment.

Getting banned can be part of the area that the store is in. To be banned in most districts requies you doing something that is tremendously over the line while in the store. Say something along the lines of actually threatening an employee with harm. In these districts it is very unlikely that you would be banned for anything less than that. Note that in my district, it is 99.9999% impossible to get someone banned. The regional LP has even threated employees with firing if they called the police to help with a case of theft or crazy person.

However, there are stores in "high risk" areas that have/will/can ban someone for shoplifting. I know one store where the LP caught a shoplifter and banned him with the approvl of the GM. Everytime the shoplifter tried to enter the store, the police were called to issue a ticket for tresspassing. OF course the estimated amount of theft over a two month period was +2,500$ so the GM really didn't want the theif back. In these high risk stores you can also be banned if you show yourself to be mentally disturbed over repeated visits (like the a woman who kept shouting that the staff was trying to rape her).

Interestingly, in the stores I have worked in with the "nearly impossible to ban" policy, the shrink is always above 2.6%. In the store I worked in with the "high risk" approach, the shrink averaged 1.3%.

Dylan, you should try to mind your diction when you are posting. You can pretty much be assured that most of the persons who read your posts as they have been delivered by you thus far are doing so out of Schadenfreude, without much of a view to giving you the assistance that some might yet presume you are seeking.
The bottom line is that if one or more persons who work at your former store have permission not to let you come back, it is their responsibility to give you that information in writing. I've seen erstwhile co-workers told that they risk prosecution if they come back. In one instance there was a genuine case of harassment. Another was a trumped-up charge; yet another was, too, but the person that time around did a little more than necessary to get put in such a position.
When one of the other posters in this thread observed that your posts appear to her/him to be "paranoid and incoherent", s/he could have been recalling that in at least one of your earlier messages, you ranted that the general manager at your store hired at least some of your co-workers because of the colour of their skin rather than their qualifications. If they had warned you in writing more than once about behaviour that could make black persons with whom you were working uncomfortable, I should think they could have tried to fire you eventually!

There was no written warning. In my as you so called rant. I was just stating fact. All you have to do is look at the hiring practice. If y'all our trying to tell me to shut up. I have freedom of speech. I really don't think anyone of y'all can help. I know that y'all think I crazy. And If you think I'm paranoid so be it. I have many black friends in fact my sister is married to one and has three kids and two grandkids. The banning came from a email from Ted Beever in HR. I never did receive the reason. I have not been in the store since my termition. And the banning is for all stores. I did mean vin not vince sorry for the confusion. Vin gave me my Dave carpenter award and from what I understand he was let go. So I'm sure the next thing is for everyone to do is to flag my post. I really just want to sell Cd's Books and Dvd's and try to help this company be what it use to be. A place of Knowledge. Maybe I'm stupid to believe anyone really cares.

Banning people, whether former employees or just difficult customers, can be a difficult process, but it does happen, more often in larger metro areas. The only two such letters of which I am aware in my area are both to do with customers who have established patterns of near-violent public behaviors. Such people have received brief-but-direct typed letters stating that they are no longer welcome to do any business with Borders and that if they are seen in a store, managers will call local law enforcement to have them removed. My current store has one such letter displayed at the I.S.'s desk.

I believe that my current store is nearing a crossroads at which they will have little choice but to deliver such a letter to our former (terminated) GM, who we now suspect of recently coming into the store (post-termination) and deliberately messing PICs up by entering TLU using current employee's code numbers. But the path to getting to such a point (a letter of banning) seems to take forever.

Wondering what the reason for my banning. Mr Brown what store do you work at? I know you won't say. I know there are spies on this sight. Maybe a lot of times the GM just wants to make sure the person is discredited. Having A Murder suspect in the store doing a signing in th kids dept. needed to be let known. If I'm banded from the store why does Border rewards keep senting me stuff? The only reason I want to go in the store is because your cheap. Why will they not talk to me a give me a reason. I think they are just saying that because I've got no peace bond and I've never been served any papers. I hope you spies are having a good time. Remember the James Bond movie comes out soon.

I think the only reason they would read this site is to scrutinize comments by current workers. One generally should have the right to post as long as one isn't giving out business information that could be used to the employer's detriment (by a competitor, for instance), and as long as one isn't making a co-worker feel harassed through the content of posts. There was a written policy, for what that is worth. They can ask you in court to identify what you post as your work, but I suspect it would have to be relevant to the case before they could introduce it.
You suggested in an earlier post that you were told by e-mail not to go back. People might be at a loss to say what they would do in that situation, although I would think it strange that they would fail to follow something like that up with a letter in the mail.
One thing I might point out with the intention of helping is that this site isn't posted to very much, perhaps because our existing unions were all decertified or marginalised. There is a different site with more posts, and the URL is http://community.livejournal.com/iworkatborders .
You can create an account as you did here, and start topics of discussion. The site is moderated by a current employee, or so it was claimed a few months ago, so if current workers create accounts, precautions should be taken to protect one's identity and one's computer's identity as well.
A word of warning, though: if you post on that site, I strongly recommend that you check what you write very carefully for mistakes in diction. Too many ("sight" rather than "site", "banded" rather than "banned"), and you'll receive some really cruel feedback. It will look a lot worse at first than it in fact is, because the site permits anonymous posting. But do try to take to heart what persons on the present site have told you so far. You may wish to explain that you worked primarily in music (as appears to have been the case?). I sometimes explain by way of apology that English isn't my only language if I find that I don't have as much time as I really need to look for and correct my mistakes.

Thanks. I looked at it. It's very interesting on what Mr Jones has to say. I really do believe Borders will be gone. I don't think I can create an account because I nolonger work for Borders. I might sign on if I'm reinstated. They have 60 days to let me know about my appeal. Also I would use my real name I have nothing to hide.