cross trained as a janitor?

Today, when a member of management noticed a book I was reading on the labor movement, I was led into a baited "conversation" (read: indoctrination) on the evils of unionization.
After refuting his feeble arguments, I was told that the staff in Ann Arbor was cleaning its own toilets since voting in the union and negotiating their contract.
I flatly denied the veracity of his claim.

Is there any truth behind this?

I don't work in Ann Arbor so please allow me to talk out of my ass, based on the contract as posted on the site and some previous posts:
Yes, it's true. To ensure more labor hours for the staff they don't allow management to contract this type of work out.

On a personal note, what's wrong with cleaning toilets? I clean them at home, I've cleaned them on the job, and I've certainly cleaned them at Borders (and yes, we have a cleaning crew; that doesn't prevent people from getting nasty during working hours and somone has to take care of those messes). Would it kill you to pick up a mop? A broom? A dustcloth? Are we, as mighty booksellers, too proud to clean our own stores? Too good? Too educated? Too what?

I assumed that such was the case.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with "cleaning toilets." I've cleaned my share, and would never be so haughty as to believe that anything was below me.
In fact, I've often suggested we can the cleaning crew and give those hours to the staff. I'm sure that the pride we take in the store's appearance would drive us to do a better job than some of the folks who have pushed a vacuum in my store.

If you've misunderstood my point, perhaps I didn't communicate very well.

My gripe was that my management would be so transparent as to use the "cleaning their own toilets" argument in the hopes that it would offend my sensibilties. I was under the impression that subcontractors were nixed at Ann Arbor and I simply wanted to confirm this so that I could give an informed rebuttal.

We still have the same arrangement as we had before the vote, the strike and the contract. For years we have had one person who has a unique job description. He performs specific cleaning tasks for 4 hours each day and works as a bookseller the remaining four. In addition an outside professional cleaning company cleans each morning for 2-3 hours.

So no we don't currently "clean our own toilets" or routinely perform any cleaning tasks as part of our seller/ipt/supervisor jobs. When there's an accident most of us can and do respond as needed.

BTW- before moving to our current location, which is almost 4 times larger than the original location, we did all of our own cleaning and changed all our lights. Tasks rotated weekly and eventually everyone did it all including the bathrooms and washing the windows. The store was crammed full of books and customers yet still clean & always well lit...but then those were also the days when alphabetizing, flushing, re-stocking and well organized sections were a primary expectation.

It wasn't perfect by any means. We complained about having to clean and having to carry our books in our arms up two flights of stairs(no elevator, escalator or v-carts of any kind) and having to hoist return boxes up a flight of stairs because the receiving/sort area was in the basement. But we were proud of what we did and who we were because of our efforts.

Sorry, I drifted from now to then but there's something about this cleaning thing which triggers those flashbacks.
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There is a set of lies that GM's have been instructed to pass on to employees outside of Ann Arbor. That is one of them. Another is that the Ann Arbor contract is responsible for reduction of full time hours to 32/week. Not true.

They're quicker to lie to employees than they ever are to speaK any kind of truth on these issues. If you want to stop them, then speak immediately right up, right out in public just as the drivel finnishes exiting their mouths. And if they insist on doing it behind closed doors, one on one, then walk right out to the backroom and sales floor and talk right up about it with your fellow employees. ( Frankly, I no longer even wince at speaking very plainly to customers about the changes and exploitation that has become such a hallmark and money maker for the Corp. management. And as you know, plenty of our customers know exactly what we're talking about and think about it just as highly as we do. "Business" practices which if one actually looks into it and thinks about it are highly UN-American.) Don't go about cowering to a pack of liers, and there's nothing to be afraid of over showing the falseness to their often inane statements and rationalities. You really want to see them look smaller in the work place, then say out loud what probably everybody else around knows and is itching to say. Minimumly, they will at least quit doing it and degrading you by expecting you to sit there and shake your head "yes" to such blatant, often offensive to one's intelligence lies. Our false fears, that is their best ally, period! As for healthy debate towards work place policies and compensations, this is our business and work environment, too; our right and responibility to do it for ourselves.

Has anyone out there in BINCland actually had their hours cut to 32? It hasn't happened at my store yet, although that could be because everyone is quitting or getting fired right now. We have the fear in us now. Anticipation is nearly as punishing as reality sometimes. Anxiety up. Productivity down.

What I love is how they want it both ways. They want to say that we didn't get any changes or improvements, but at the same time we 'forced' the whole company to do something like change fulltime to 32 hours.

One thing that we DO like to think we helped influence was the survey. If anything good comes out of that (like benefits for part-timers), I'd like to think we helped influence the company to obey their own open door policy a little bit and pay attention to what their poverty-stricken employees need.

Of course, it also helped them lie with statistics. They asked us to prioritize our benefits, and then announced they were doing away with stock options because we don't value them. This is not really true- I'd say that we value ALL of our benefits. The chipping away at our compensation packages is exactly WHY we unionized, not because we were desperate to clean our own toilets.

I'm so glad that the average Borders worker thinks and reads.

Many thanks for setting the record straight.

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They're quicker to lie to employees than they ever are to speaK any kind of truth on these issues. If you want to stop them, then speak immediately right up, right out in public just as the drivel finnishes exiting their mouths....Don't go about cowering to a pack of liers, and there's nothing to be afraid of over showing the falseness to their often inane statements and rationalities. You really want to see them look smaller in the work place, then say out loud what probably everybody else around knows and is itching to say. Minimumly, they will at least quit doing it and degrading you by expecting you to sit there and shake your head "yes" to such blatant, often offensive to one's intelligence lies.

LTR- You're quite right. My manager was totally in shock that I called him on such blatant propaganda. He immediately realized he hadn't a leg to stand on, and quickly ended the debate. My fear is that if he goes on spewing this to other employees that they won't have the facts to refute these lies. In fact, I've spoken with some coworkers who I believe would accept them without question. (In many cases, BINC managers need only to reinforce the lies about unions that have been already planted in the heads of Americans by the media and conservatives in this country) I've tried to persuade coworkers of the benefits of unionization, but how can I begin to unravel such deeply ingrained misconceptions? In some people this goes past even a rational belief to the point of invective disgust or hatred.
He is a very trusted and much loved member of management. I was so naive to think that he would never stoop to the lows of some tactics that I have heard about.

Outcomes are one thing, our own actions are quite another. We should never let stupid, blatant lies go uncalled. We have every right to say right out publicly our differing views and reasons for them to our co-workers (but, my, isn't it cowardly as well as conveniently rigged to turn people into "yes" men and women that they have a section on our personal reviews where they can mark you down and therefore cut your possibility of a higher raise for speaking up, as well as threaten people with the catch-all undefined expedient write-up of "insubordination"), we have a necessity to offer differing labor views and facts because the management never will and no informed view is ever onesided. The results of these actions are to greater or lesser degrees out of our hands. That's not the point. But if and when you do speak up and/or show more leadership as an employee for other employees and yourself, that is a responsible empowering action in and of itself. And it is one of the first actions anyone can take to see Binc act afraid.

(But you don't have to do all the talking or convincing yourself. One of those backroom bulletin boards /wash boards in your breakroom is public domain for all employees. You can post our financial reports up there, and you can put up labor news stories, and you can post fliers for local events. And if they start to censor what goes up there after having an open policy, then they're in violation of employee rights.)

Golden, as you know, there is nothing new about Binc cutting hours in the spring. It has been an annual event for years. What's different this time is they will cut FT employees to 32 instead of 35 hours, which only makes since because they have been decreasing for years the number of employees who worked more than 35hrs regularly to begin with. And, yes, across-the-board last year we had our hours cut to 32 in mid-spring and increased late in the summer. The big change this time is that they probably won't be increased later and I suspect new hires, the little proportion that will even be hired fulltime, will probably start and stay at 32. And if a number of you are really worried about it, stop worrying and approach them formally, in writing, as a group over it.)

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My fear is that if he goes on spewing this to other employees that they won't have the facts to refute these lies. In fact, I've spoken with some coworkers who I believe would accept them without question. (In many cases, BINC managers need only to reinforce the lies about unions that have been already planted in the heads of Americans by the media and conservatives in this country) I've tried to persuade coworkers of the benefits of unionization, but how can I begin to unravel such deeply ingrained misconceptions? In some people this goes past even a rational belief to the point of invective disgust or hatred.

Tigerlily,
Key is not to attempt to "persuade" anyone! Its only common sense if anyone knows the facts about unions (and their union will be an organize solid grassroots democratic well informed union) they will want a union.
There's nothing to "sell" and no need for "persuasion"...all there is to do is uncover the drive...peel the bullshit off the union brother or sister underneath.

However, everyone will want a strong union for their own reasons...and those who fear unions do so for their own reasons.
so...
one, don't try to persuade anyone. LISTEN TO THEM. Start discussions about the job, get at their gripes and concerns ABOUT THE JOB. Let THEM talk. Eventually they will (if they work at Borders) start talking about all the reasons the job is hurting them, and half of those reasons could be addressed with a union. THAT'S when you put it out there "Some of us think a strong union could address alot of our issues such as..."

So here's where they may start sharing any problems they have with unions in general. If they state they don't want a union, ask them why. Ask them to explain their objections to you. Challenge their presumptions or misinformation respectfully. However, try to inform them with what you know about the strength of unions without "persuading" them..just by TALKING ABOUT UNIONS...what they think,fear...what you think, fear, know.

***There are lists of strong honest answers for the most common objections and concerns about unions. If anyone wants to pitch them out here, I bet I've got the response.****

No conversation ever has to end unless someone demands it does. If a person says flat out, "get out of my face. I don't ever want to talk to you about unions." Well, then leave them the f*** alone.

But anything short of that leaves the door open for further discussion, then or at another time. Go out of your way to continue that discussion as soon as you can, when it is convienient and NON THREATENING for them. (as in not in the store !)

And if you are serious about organizing your store...
1. find an organizer(s) in your area to help you
2. learn about organizing and your choices in unions (and not just here!)
3. recognize the UTMOST IMPORTANCE of ORGANIZING your membership..which has nothing to do with persuading, labeling or declaring war on Borders.

Its not rocket science, but it IS a science.

Go somewhere, call someone, take a class, find a mentor, call the AFL-CIO or the IWW or BOTH...
LEARN how to build a union BEFORE you build one!

Otherwise, sorry, you're just pissing around...or you are about to drive yourself and all your co-workers off a cliff blindfolded.
Good luck...and it really DOESN'T have to be about luck!